Feedback: Nintendo Wins December, Dark Void, and Grown-up Games

Posted: January 20, 2010
Feedback: Nintendo Wins December, Dark Void, and Grown-up Games
Adam, Patrick, Abbie, and Sterling discuss the December NPD sales figures, Uncharted 2's linearity, and Dark Void.

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  • IceMan9941

    Next BIG game? hmmmm MAG maby

    Posted: January 23, 2010 9:00 AM
  • Oposingthumb

    These segments are great. G4 is better than ever!

    Posted: January 23, 2010 8:44 AM
  • jazBuddha

    I watched this weeks Feedback and I heard you guys mention linear versus free wrold gameplay. I understand there are many pros and cons between the two, but I'm curious what you think of bilinear or multilinear gameplay. Some more recent games have failed (Avatar the game, and Army of Two: whatever) but is there room for this style of game to grow or have games like Bioshock and many others taken the idea to its natural conclusion leaving little to improve upon?

    Posted: January 22, 2010 10:13 PM
  • Gungan

    As a PC enthusiast, I have no reason at all to buy a 360 because most of their so called exclusives come to PC on Games for Windows Live anyways. I played Gears of War on PC, and I will be playing Mass Effect 2 on PC.

    My only disappointment so far was that Epic refused to put GoW 2 on PC. Their loss, as far as I'm concerned. I don't think shooters belong on Xbox or PS3. I can't stand trying to play a shooter with a stupid analog stick because it feels so awkward, and accuracy plummets. On the other hand, Metroid Prime Trilogy on the Wii is amazing with the new control scheme.

    Posted: January 22, 2010 9:28 PM
  • mastered

    abbie you need to be payed for these ideas. or just make your own counsel that can be playing a video game and watching tv or sports or video chat. just make sure i can watch feedback on there too.

    Posted: January 22, 2010 2:35 PM
  • blueboykc

    apparently white knight chronicles is gonna be released almost a whole month early..are you guys gonna be able to get a review out earlier?

    Posted: January 22, 2010 1:54 PM
  • CareyGrant

    Am I the only one excited about the possibility of Beyond Good and Evil 2?

    I loved the first game! I'm hoping -based upon the leaked video- BGE2 isn't some Mirror's edge mash-up that loses all of the charm and imagination of the first game that made it so much fun to play. I'm especially excited due to the recent lack of quality single player experiences (besides UC2) what with the glut of run-and-gun multiplayer games that are EVERYWHERE now (which I'm getting rather tired of).

    I'm really looking forward to a good dose of Ancel mystery and adventure, as the original was such an incredibly great game/experience/story. I'd love to see a resurgence of more quality first player experiences/epics like the P of P: Sands of Time Trilogy (gorgeous), Silent Hill 2 (pants-wetting awesome), BG & E (a spanking good mystery/adventure), RE4 (despite it's occasional bout of bad/corny dialogue), Okami (which was uniquely brilliant) or UC2 ('nuff said); games that don't rely on or prop up a short/weak single player experience with the drudgery of multiplayer (hell is other people... especially in on-line gaming). Or games where the single player is something to burn through -and not savor- to get to the multi-player dross as fast as possible.

    So I'm crossing my fingers about BG & E2.

    Posted: January 22, 2010 12:38 PM
  • brokeheart

    OK, I understand that lots of people do not like the wii, but I really hate it when some idiot comes along and says something like, "now the wii is getting it's @#$ handed to it by the 360 and PS3". Well I geuss the wii is losing because it's only getting MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF MORE DOLLARS! I really hate it when people say stupid things like that. I don't care if you hate the wii or not but either way you can't just change around facts to prove your point. Also, no I am not a super annoying fan boy, I could care less about the war, but you can't just make up what ever you want. I have spoken.
    Now, if you really want my opinion, I like the wii manly for the virtual console that allows me to play games that I missed out on because I wasn't born yet, the PS3 has become much better since the beginning, and the 360 was porly made and rushed to the market but the games are fantastic and it has some cool features but I hate having to buy X-Box live. There you go. Oh, and the DS and PSP are both worthy of a buy because you will be getting very different experiences from both.

    Posted: January 22, 2010 8:47 AM
  • RandyMercer

    I'm going to start this off with the Wii the first thing many people do after they get it is Hack, hack, hack it, it's a the pinnacle reason why some own or want to own the system. Nintendo has the major sales but they also have a major piracy problem. Still on Nintendo, my mom and I were discussing Mario; it's one of the video games she can completely remember; people are just so familiar with Nintendo than the other systems and they probably feel safer with it(title wise). In regards to the PS3 sales I'm just waiting on my friends to buy a system but I don't see that happening anytime soon however, I am happy that system is selling; broaden your horizons, if you can. I need to play Beyond Good & Evil, still hyped for 2. Dark Void, um Lol Nolan North that might have been a mistake among other things, like I said before they might get it right for the second one. Should a linear-by-nature game be punished for its linearity? Uuuuhh NO! Uncharted 2 is the first that come to mind, I sat down and thought to myself "when did video games, linear video games become somewhat taboo?" it just seems stupid, weren't Side-scrolling video games linear? So why should it matter now if its linear or not? GTA, inFAMOUS, and Fallout 3 gave something unique or at least some what unique to the gaming industry/fans. That's why when a game like U2 comes out and conquers linear gameplay, the way it did, should be admired not shunned, and it is some of the critics. Oh and the last thing I'm intrigued on where Heavy Rain will take gaming or won't take gaming, hopefully people will get more into the PS3 exclusive titles leading into Sony's big, big one GOWIII. Oh also that game Sessler was probably referring to was Mass Effect 2? Maybe?

    Posted: January 22, 2010 3:21 AM

    I agree with what was said about the Wii. I've had mine since launch day in the US and aside from a little Brawl action when I have company over every now and again. That being said, the last game I even bought for the Wii was SSBB. I think Nintendo is really going to have to rethink their game plan if they want to keep their user base and generate anything other than hardware sales.

    Nintendo will probably have a rougher time in the future as well. They were definitely the number 1 name going into this generation since gaming hadn't really hit the mainstream yet but all them old folk knew the name. "Get off that there Nintendo and clean your room, Billy!" "OMG its a Playstation!"
    Sony and especially Microsoft have really pushed their names this time around. Hell, even my grandma knows the names XBOX and Playstation. Nintendo is gonna have to do something major to retain their glory.

    It may seem like a bold statement now, but I believe its only a matter of time before Nintendo goes the way of Sega... Which would be amazing tbh. Anyone else up for some HD Zelda on the PS4?

    Posted: January 22, 2010 2:34 AM

    i have a ps3 and luv killzone2, MAG, uncharted2,socomconfrontation the resistence series and haze(don't judge!) but i will admit i want gears of war, left 4 dead& halo reach so i to sony & microsoft i say this: can't all of us trigerhappy friends get along? y does COD do so well? MULTYPLATFORM!!!!!!

    Posted: January 22, 2010 1:25 AM
  • Naravare

    We as Gamers Need to come together I'm sick of this immature hate fest between the consuls! (yes i know I'm about to be hated on from everyone)

    First of all I own a Wii and PS3 but i cant say i hate Xbox 360 or that i prefer one consul over the other. There is no need to hate on another consul the arguments are always the same and have become the same stale bull crap. This crap is detrimental to our community and to the Dev's who must feel some need to take a side from both gamers and Sony and Microsoft themselves.

    Second of all if you need proof of the self destructive nature of these arguments lets look back to the old Sega vs. Nintendo day. in beginning the two consuls were both supported an awesome collection of games but through the years the argument leaned into Nintendo's favor with the release of that god awful Sega consul which refuse to name (partially due to my love for classic Sega). This lead to third party developers pulling away from Sega and creating a very bland video game market on the Nintendo side. Then came Dreamcast a consul that in my mind had potential and had it been released a year later Sega my very well still have had a share in the consul market But because of the rivalry leaning towards Nintendo at the launch there was no real third party love and no fan-boy love to keep it alive.

    Now this is the part were i must state that what i want is not a lack of exclusive titles or competition from the console developers but an end of the fighting amongst gamers cause it is truly more harmful than helpful now feel free to pelt me with your insults and incomprehensible arguments.

    Posted: January 22, 2010 1:20 AM
  • Warforge

    I know you guys love Assassin's Creed 2 as much as I do, plus the millions of other hidden blade wannabes out there. My question concerns the eventual "final" game. I say it that way because no doubt more will come. What time period do you think it will be in. I think the games" present day", so we'll be running around with Desmond and not another one of his ancestors. He did learn to kinda be a badass by the end of AC2, kinda.

    Btw, AC multiplayer....bad idea if I understood the storyline of the game, Desmond, Ezio, and the rest of their family are special. Not everyone can do what they do, Eagle Vision, the super-freerunning, etc. In fact, I think its tied to the strange video and puzzles scattered through the game. Demi-gods or blood relatives of the humanoids who came before? Not trying to put any spoilers but anyone who understands that has played through the end.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 11:21 PM
  • Flight_Eagle

    Reviewing a very, very, big, big game that's coming out soon, eh? Tuesday, per chance?

    Love the talk. Dark Void, i wasn't really sure what it would be an it surprised me when the demo came out, it was totally different. I thought you would pretty much be a plane. I mean, i knew about the jet pack, but i thought it would be a faster, more jet, less pack. Know what i mean?

    I see myself playing it, but not buying it till it hits the bargain bin, i think.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 9:06 PM
  • Snuffaluffagus

    I know next week that they will be taking about mass effect 2 and with all this hubbub about your love intrest choice and what your choice was in the first game will influence the trilogy. However when i first played the game first playthrough i had no idea their was a love intrest i rushed through the game. I went back and got the acivment in another playthrough, but what if you didn't do it does that also effect the game or are you just a free bachelor in the 2nd one?

    Posted: January 21, 2010 7:38 PM
  • ADenfenselessBum

    Does anybody else think that gaming should be in the curriculum in school? I don't just mean playing games in gym like DDR, but really studying and and learning how to develop them. I want to develop games for a career and school isn't really for me, but i must go if I want to go to college and take six other classes so I can take the one I actually want to. To me it just seems the because they're called games that people don't take them seriously. Nobody outside the gaming industry has yet to congratulate Modern Warfare 2 for being the biggest launch in entertainment history. I think it would be cool to go to a studio for a field trip. I just think that gaming should be in school in a fun but serious way

    Posted: January 21, 2010 7:00 PM
  • kenfoss

    I wanted to tackle that last question at the end, about Linearity.

    Linearity is fine as long as it isn't constricting. For example invisible walls, obvious tripwire points, etc, etc. The perfect example of constraint harming gameplay was the old Splinter Cell games, deviate from your mission path at all and it's mission fail.

    However, open world games are starting to get where they need to be going. If your going to do a true open world game you need to do it like Bioware is doing Mass Effect. Play dungeon master not hollywood script writer, meaning you need to be able to go with whatever the player wants to take the game.

    In sandbox games everything should be fair game, it's up to the player to make his alliances, not the game designer.

    We like to make everything a good vs. bad thing, when in actuallity its just a developers decision based on what they want to do with their game. If you have a specific story or series of set pieces in mind stay linear. If you want the player to explore the game world more and slow down the pace of the game, go open world.

    It;s up to the reviewer to understand where the series is going too far, or not far enough, and make their readers aware of this. (for example that cheap choice Infamous throws at you to make you want to kill Kessler)

    Also can we stop it with morality in games being an all black or all white issue. Why can't I be a dick to hobo's but save the damsel in distress? However games like Infamous punish you for not picking a lane, and mindlessly select that option even if you don't really want to.

    That's lame and it needs to end.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 6:43 PM
  • onelifegamer

    I bought the wii a very long time ago. I honestly played it for a good 56 hrs total and thats because of zelda. I had recently lent my wii to my brother and well he lent it to his ex... long story short i managed to get my wii back but for those many months without it i couldnt help but miss the somewhat cute white console. I honestly want to play more of my wii but my ps3 and 360 kind of run the household. That and my A.P. Chem class is kicking my ass lol.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 6:10 PM
  • Avaj

    Regarding linearity. Sometimes if you really love a game you don't want it to end. In a very linear game you get to the end and you can't go anywhere. In a more open game you can get near the end and then shoot off in some other direction or double back some.

    Posted: January 21, 2010 4:59 PM
  • flaminghobo

    circumsision joke FTW!

    Posted: January 21, 2010 4:10 PM